San Carlos Clean-Up Day

Semana Santa left our pretty little town in need of a clean-up. So, in honor of Earth Day, Pro San Carlos and the Comisario are organizing a San Carlos-wide clean-up for Saturday, April 17th, at 9:00am. Many people, businesses and organizations have volunteered to help.

Coca-Cola and Corona are sponsoring the event and will be providing refreshments. And, the government is providing garbage bags and other supplies.

The more the merrier — if you would like to lend a hand, please email me at christa@whatsupsancarlos.com.

The following groups have volunteered to clean the following areas:

• San Carlos Plaza Beach: San Carlos Plaza Hotel
• Algodones Beach: San Carlos Plaza Hotel & the Softball League
• Marina Real Beach: Seaside Reservations
• Playa Piedras Pintas: Rescate
• Beach by Marina Terra beach club: Marina Terra Hotel
• La Posada Beach: Sonora is Safe, SBPA and La Posada
• Estuary & Pilar Beach: Castaway Kids
• San Francisco Beach: El Centro de Estudios Tecnológicos del Mar
• Creston Beaches: Tia Marie’s Coastal Co-operative
• Nacapule: Energy Zone
• Main Blvd: the Comisario with a 60 person crew, San Carlos Rotary, Athletic Club, Yacht Club & Barracuda Bob’s

What’s Happening in the Water?

Johan Broere’s Dive Report

Well, that was a very interesting week. The algae of last week disappeared overnight. The forecast was for the water to warm up and it did, but first it dipped down to 59 degrees F. Today it was a pleasant 63 degrees F again. Visibility greatly improved to over 40 feet at Eagle Rock. The more protected coves had not yet completely rinsed out and visibility was about 20 feet. Still, a lot better than last week. Lots of people enjoyed the beaches with water in the shallows as warm as 70 degrees. As divers we preach to leave the beach cleaner than when you arrived, but not every Semana Santa visitor follows that rule. However, the day-after clean-up is absolutely spectacular. They always do a super job.

Come on down. Dive San Carlos

Where are the Fish?

The crowds have left but the fish sure haven’t. If you haven’t noticed all the sealife around then you need to get out to the beach. I must have seen five hundred terns in the estuary today screeching as loud as the Semana Santa crowd. They are enjoying their Spring. In between their mating rituals they are finding lots of baitfish to keep their energy up. The bay is full of huge amounts of baby sardines. Expect all the big ones to be right behind this yearly event!

We made it to San Pedro a few days ago for an epic yellowtail bite. Our new friend who had married a girl from Hermosillo brought his father and brother-in-law along. He lost the first fish to the rocks, but the old man mustered the strength to land the next one. After losing a few more fish, the young guys started winning a few battles. The father lasted for one more fish before the boys started hooking up two at time. I think he won major points with the family! It was great to finally start catching fish jigging. The fish were all around 20 pounds and were readily taking live bait and jigs. Expect a few more great weeks of yellowtail fishing before they begin to spawn on the next full moon. I’ve heard reports of the pangas catching fish up to 50 pounds. They get big in the Spring.

Today’s satellite shots show incredibly warm water on the way. Confirming that are reports of 69-71 degree water out front and pictures of marlin on the surface. A few boats have seen them lately. Expect the dorado to show up in the next few days. They might not be big at first, but they are on their way. I was told of a tuna boat that caught fish up North in cold water, so they too could show very soon. Maybe we’ll have ‘summer fishing’ by next week. I know that I’ll be getting ready.

Lots of great inshore action around. Small and larger sierras are around. The small yellowtail have been showing up sporadically at San Antonio. Lots of small skipjack are coming in on the Miramar side of the bay. All the pargo, cabrilla, and other bottomfish should turn up soon. Big grouper will also be coming in shallow to spawn. Get out on the boat to see all the great sealife that shows up this time of year. I saw a nice mako the other day and a huge manta ray at the Island. The whales should be coming by soon too.

tight lines,
Bryan Replogle
repsilon@aol.com
Team Margarita Sportfishing
San Carlos Aquatic Adventures

Starfish at Castaway Kids
Terry Lynn Challis, President Castaway Kids

What’s all this talk about Starfish at Castaway Kids?
I hadn’t run into this story before and I came upon it in a wonderful book, “Half the Sky — Turning Oppression into Opportunity for Women Worldwide”, and it seemed so relevant to what our organization is doing: A man goes on the beach and sees that it is covered with starfish that have washed up in the tide. A little boy is walking along, picking them up and throwing them back into the water. “What are you doing, son?” the man asks. “You see how many starfish there are? You’ll never make a difference.” The boy paused thoughtfully and picked up another starfish and threw it into the ocean. “It sure made a difference to that one,” he said.

Many folks use the large numbers as an excuse to do nothing, but that’s not our way at Castaway Kids. We just keep plugging along, trying to make a difference in the lives of our neighbors, or our students — “one starfish at a time”. We even started a new Hi 5, open handed, so it looks like a starfish. So, if you see a couple people giving an open Hi 5, think starfish — think, you can make a difference!

Castaway Kids’ next meeting is Saturday, April 10th at 10:00am at La Palapa Griega. All are welcome. Come see what we’re up to.

Ceramics Show Great Success

The Ceramics Show and Silent Auction held March 6 at Club Deportivo was a huge success thanks to the generosity of the San Carlos community.

All but 6 pieces were sold in the auction and the 12 Raffle items were very popular.

A big thanks to all the Raffle donors: Sagitario, Picolo’s, Off The Edge, Galeria Belles Artes, Shelly Johnson, Glenn Lowe and the Ceramics Club.

Ceramics is now closed for the season. We will re-open on November 4 and would love to see more people join us on Thursday and Saturday mornings.

We look forward to seeing everyone next season. Jan Minnich

Home Inspections

Buying a home is the biggest purchase you will ever make. Protect your investment with a Home Inspection before you sign on the dotted line. In the US and Canada, this is a common process to do before buying a home. And now this service is available here in San Carlos.

Don Brame is a licensed International Building Inspector who ran a construction company for many years in Northern Idaho. Interview with Don Brame from San Carlos Inspections:

What kinds of questions do new home buyers frequently ask you?
-Does the home have a water meter?
-Does it have a water shut off valve, or a water filtration system?
-Is the home grounded (electrically)?

Why do a home inspection?
Before you buy, find out what systems your the home has. Also, find out if you have water damage, termites, electrical problems, plumbing issues. Why wait until you move in to find out what works or what needs to be repaired.

What are some of the things one can find out during a home inspection?
You can find out:

1: The house wiring:
Some homes in San Carlos are wired with grounds, some are not. Some homes have a number of breaker panels and some have only one. A home inspection will identify breaker panels, number of circuit breakers per panel, locations of panels and check to see that the outlets in the home function, and which ones, if any, are grounded.

2: The house has minor structural damage:
Minor structural damage means the house is not likely to fall down, but you should deal with the problem before it becomes more serious. Such damage is usually caused by water seepage either into the foundation, or through the walls, windows or door. First you need to fix the cause of the problem (a leaky roof, for example), then repair or replace any damaged pieces. The more extensive the damage, the more expensive it will be to repair.

3: The house has plumbing problems:
Do all of the faucets in the house work? How about the shutoff valves to the faucets? Do your sinks, showers and tubs drain properly or do they leak? Why wait until you need to make a repair to find out if the shutoff valves are frozen. A home inspection will identify current problems that need repairs now and in the near future. This way, when you move into your new home, you will have as few surprises as possible.

Before you buy or sell a home in San Carlos, consider getting an inspection to either get top price for your home before you show it to a potential buyer, or to find out what you are buying and what needs to be repaired. There are many well-built homes in San Carlos, and with sound advice you will be sure to find a house to suit your needs.

What’s Playing at MMCinemas?

Some of the movies now playing:

How to Train your Dragon, an animated film. Watch a preview.

The thriller, Edge of Darkness with Bojana Novakovic, Ray Winstone, Mel Gibson and Danny Huston. Watch a preview.

And, Alice in Wonderland is still playing.

Most “Hollywood” movies for adults are in English with Spanish subtitles, but check before you go. Cost — Adults $47 pesos, $37 pesos on Wednesday. And, the first movie each day is only $42 pesos.

For a full listing and show times, click MMCinemas. Under Selecciona, choose “Sonora” and “Guaymas”. On the next page, where it says “todos los complejos”, chose MMC Guaymas – then click “buscar”.

Happy Hours

• Ruby Wine Bar. 4:00pm to 7:00pm. Corona and Pacificos are 10 pesos each and well drinks are 20 pesos each (including margaritas).

• Fiesta Hotel & Bar Coral. 1:00pm to 7:00pm. 15 peso beer.

• Evie’s. 4:00pm to 6:00pm, Monday to Saturday. 2×1 national drinks.

• Pool House Sport Bar. 4:00pm to 9:00pm, Tuesday to Sunday with Tecate 12.50 pesos, 1 lt cerveza 35 pesos. Free pool during happy hour.

• Club Nautico. 12:00pm to 6:00pm with 11.50 pesos ($1 USD) cervezas.

• Pancho Villa. 4:00pm to 7:00pm with all beers only 15 pesos and 2×1 margaritas. Big screen TVs in the sports bar.

• Tequila’s. 3:00pm -6:00pm.

• Banana’s. Monday to Friday, 4:00pm – 6:00pm. All domestic drinks are 15 pesos and well drinks are 25 pesos. Every Sunday is “Bloody Mary Sunday” with 25 peso Bloody Mary’s all day long. All Day Spring Special: 45 peso margarita and 55 peso pina colada.

• Marina Cantina. 3:00pm -6:00pm Monday and Wednesday through Friday. Cerveza Nacional 2×1. And, Ten Peso Tuesdays with Corona and Pacifico only 10 pesos (after food purchase) all day long (11:00am until closing).

• Paradise Bar. Thursday, all day, 25 peso national drinks. Everyday, get a 10 bottle bucket of Sol for 150 pesos, or bucket of Tecate for 200 pesos.

• Bonifacio’s. Half price appetizers from 12:00pm – 2:00pm and 4:00pm – 6:00pm.

Who’s Who in Entertainment?

Ron Daisley

This week we have a new face in the musician circle of San Carlos. Brooklyn born but based in Austin for the past 30 years, Ron has worked as a musician and sound engineer with Willy Nelson and other prominent country stars. Currently he has a boat and a new lot in the Bahia and helps with the Open Mic at Captain’s Club on Sunday evenings. You can also catch his solo acoustic act at Captain’s Club on Saturday evenings. This folk singer will also be helping the next few months with the sound systems for the Castaway Kids events. For more information on Ron, visit his website and mySpace.

Nine Questions for Ron:

What was the first concert you ever saw? ROLLING STONES

What are you listening to these days? Oldies and classics

What was the first album you owned? The Ventures, Dusty Springfield

What artist, genre or musical trend does everyone seem to love, but you just don’t get? Nirvana, Kurt Cobain

What musical act, current or defunct would you most like to see perform live? The Coasters

Musically speaking what is your favorite guilty pleasure? None

What song would you like to have played at your funeral? “I’m a Bad Boy”. I wrote this song … it’s appropriate for my funeral

What band or artist changed your life and how? Everly Brothers & Ricky Nelson

Figurative gun to your head, what is your favorite album of all time? White Album, The Beatles

For information on other local musicians, click here.

Who’s Who in Entertainment is written by local musician Eric Holland.

Wednesday Movie

The Invention of Lying

This week, members of Ocean Camp or the Yacht Club can enjoy “The Invention of Lying”. In a world where everyone can only tell the truth… this guy can lie.

This program is for members of the San Carlos Yacht Club, and members of Ocean Camp San Carlos, A.C.  If you are not a member, Ocean Camp membership cards will be available at the door beginning at 6:00pm. A valid membership card and contributions to the Cinema Projector replacement fund will be requested.

Doors open at 6:00pm for hamburgers. Movie starts at 7:00pm. FREE popcorn.

Watch a preview.

Kayaking

Thursday, April 8th, at 9:30am.

The Seafarin’ Kayakers, sponsored by the San Carlos Yacht Club, will be leaving from the Soggy Peso Beach for a morning paddle. Kayak and perhaps snorkel around the islands and then head back to the Soggy Peso for some food and drink.

Last time, over 20 seafarers, including some who have never kayaked before, joined in the fun.

For more information, call Fern at 226-1519 or the Yacht Club at 226-0163.

Art Show

Saturday, April 10th, 1:00pm to 3:00pm.

Art Show hosted by Deborah Robinson, an artist from Santa Fe, New Mexico.

At 280 Luna Oriente and Manglares, San Carlos.

See a preview of Deborah’s oil paintings on her website.

Texas Hold’em Tournament

April 10th, 5:00pm. Texas Hold’em Tournament at Paradise Bar. Every 15 minutes the blinds go up. Cost of buy-in is 300 pesos for 300 chips.

Top five winners receive a prize, as follows:
1st place = 50% of the pot
2nd place = 30% of the pot
3rd place = 10% of the pot
4th place = Dinner at Pasta Fasta
5th place = Dinner at Pasta Fasta

10% of of the pot will be donated to Rescate San Carlos.

For more information, email Alex at texasensancarlos@gmail.com or call 622-109-5533.

Talent Show

Performing Arts Council’s 3rd San Carlos Talent Showcase, featuring talent from San Carlos and Guaymas.

Place: Los Jitos Plaza
Date: Sunday, April 11th
Time: 3:00pm until dark

Castaway Kids will be selling beverages, SBPA will be selling desserts, and Rotary will be selling hamburgers after the talent show.

There is no cost for this event, just a requested donation (suggested amount of 100 pesos). Also, please bring a non-perishable food item which will be shared with the soup kitchens in Guaymas.

Youth Choir

The Youth Choir from Chihuahua will be performing live on Wednesday, April 7th at 7:00pm in the Municipal Auditorium in Guaymas.

In 2008, they won a silver medal in the jazz category of a choir competition in Austria. They have performed throughout the world, including Germany, Austria, France and Guatemala — and now they are coming to Guaymas to perform for us.

Tickets cost 60 pesos.

What’s Happening This Week?

Wednesday, April 7

Special Event

• The Youth Choir from Chihuahua will be performing live at 7:00pm in the Municipal Auditorium in Guaymas. NEW

Entertainment

• Movie at the Yacht Club, featuring “The Invention of Lying”. Doors open at 6:00pm for hamburgers. Movie starts at 7:00pm.
• Danny Moreno. 4:00pm – 7:00pm, Froggy’s.
• Eric Holland. 5:00pm – 8:00pm, La Palapa Griega.
• Elba Santiago & Steve Smersh. 6:30pm- 9:00pm, Pilar restaurant / bar.
• Omar Arriaga Piano & Guitar Music with Guests. 6:00pm – 9:00pm, Captain’s Club.
• Cash Ross. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club.
• Karaoke. 7:00pm – 11:00pm, Bananas.

Clubs & Organizations

• Al-Anon meeting. 10:00am, La Palapa Griega.
• Duplicate Bridge. 12:30pm, Club Deportivo. Jan Talbert 227-0048.
• AA – Meeting. 6:00pm, at the Grupo Tetakawi AA meeting place on the road to Loma Del Mar next to the Bomberos (Fire Station). Call 226-0954 for more info.

Thursday, April 8

Entertainment

• Cash Ross. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club.
• Sandra’s Mariachi. 6:30pm – 8:00pm, Evie’s Iguana Bar.
• Eric Holland. 5:00pm, La Palapa Griega. NEW
• Karaoke with Alfredo. 7:00pm in Bar Coral at Hotel Fiesta.
• Karaoke. 9:00pm, Club Nautico.
• Karaoke. 9:00pm – 3:00am, Froggy’s.
• Silencio de Blanca. 11:00pm, Pancho Villa.

Clubs & Organizations

• San Carlos Men’s Breakfast Club. 9:00am, Embarcadero at MarinaTerra.

Sports

• The Seafarin’ Kayakers will be leaving from the Soggy Peso Beach at 9:30am. NEW
• Men’s Golf Association.

Friday, April 9

Entertainment

• Eric Holland. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club.
• Danny Moreno. 5:00pm to 9:00pm, Ruby Wine Bar.
• Omar Arriaga, Piano Sunset. 5:00pm – 8:00pm, Hotel Fiesta.
• Lorena Robles. 5:00pm – 8:00pm, La Palapa.
• Manuelitos. 7:00pm – 11:00pm, Captain’s Club.
• Grupo Sexto Sol, Paradise Bar.
• La Banda. 9:15pm, Tequilas.
• The Twins. 9:00pm – midnight, Bar Coral in Hotel Fiesta.
• Luna. 9:00pm – 2:00am, Froggy’s.
• Control A heats up the dance floor with live salsa, pop, rock and dance tunes from 11:00pm to 2:30am at Club Nautico.
• De Javu. 11:00pm, Pancho Villa. Mariachi at midnight.

Clubs & Organizations

• Tecalai Library. 9:00am – 1:00pm. Works on a “leave one, take one” basis. Or, if you don’t have a book to leave, you can make a small donation.

Sports

• Tai Chi. Tony’s Gym, 10:00am. With June Davis and Janet Beaty. Beginners and intermediate levels. For more information, contact Janet at jbeaty6@msn.com.

Saturday, April 10

Special Event

• Tianguis at Rescate, 7:00am to 1:00pm. NEW
• Art Show hosted by Deborah Robinson, an artist from Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1:00pm to 3:00pm. NEW
• Texas Hold’em Tournament at Paradise Bar, 5:00pm. NEW

Entertainment

• Omar Arriaga, Piano Sunset. 5:00pm -8:00pm, Hotel Fiesta.
• Danny Moreno. 5:00pm -8:00pm, La Palapa Griega.
• Ron Daizley. 6:30pm- 9:30pm, Captain’s Club.
• Bobby & Leslie: “unplugged” with The Twins. 6:00pm – 8:00pm, Evie’s Iguana Bar.
• Cash Ross. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club.
• Grupo Sexto Sol, Paradise Bar.
• La Banda. 9:15pm, Tequilas.
• Omar Arriaga with Elba Santiago. 9:00pm – midnight in Bar Coral at Hotel Fiesta.
• Luna. 9:00pm- 2:00am, Froggy’s.
• De Javu. 11:00pm, Pancho Villa. Mariachi at midnight.
• Control A heats up the dance floor with live salsa, pop, rock and dance tunes from 11:00pm to 2:30am at Club Nautico.

Clubs & Organizations

• Castaway Kids general meeting at La Palapa Griega, 10:00am. NEW

Sports

• Softball. 10:00am at Paradiso. Fun pick-up game for people of all skill levels. Spectators and cheerleaders welcome. The group often then goes for lunch together.

Sunday, April 11

Special Event

• Tianguis (10:00am – 2:00pm) and Carne Asada (10:00am – 4:00pm) in the San Carlos Catholic Church Plaza. Featuring a great selection of clothes and other items. NEW
• Performing Arts Council’s Talent Showcase.  From 3:00pm until dark at Los Jitos Plaza. NEW

Entertainment

• Trio Los Cautivos. 6:00pm – 8:00pm, Evie’s Iguanas Bar.
• Open Mic. 6:30pm – 9:00pm, Captain’s Club.
• Danny Moreno. 7:00pm – 10:00pm, Froggy’s.
• Acoustic music from Luna. 7:00pm -11:00pm, Froggy’s.
• Omar Arriaga. 9:00am – 12:00pm, Fiesta Hotel. Enjoy piano music on the beach deck and a breakfast buffet.
• Jorge Pomp presents “unplugged” Trova, Sunday’s starting at 9:00pm, Club Nautico.

Clubs & Organizations

• Church Service. Chapel by the Sea non-denominational Christian Church. 8:30am.
• Church Service. San Carlos Community Church, 9:00am.
• AA – Meeting. 6:00 pm, at the Grupo Tetakawi AA meeting place on the road to Loma Del Mar next to the Bomberos (Fire Station). Call 226-0954 for more info.

Monday, April 12

Entertainment

• Lorena Robles. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club. Ballroom dancing, drink specials and Lorena Robles.
• Trio Los Cautivos. 6:00pm – 8:00pm, Evie’s Iguanas Bar.
• Silent Movie Night with Omar Arriaga.7:00pm – 8:30pm, Captain’s Club.
• Weekly Texas Hold-Em Tournament at La Palapa Griega. Sponsored by Sonora is Safe. Registration is at 5:00pm and play starts at 5:30pm, with a break at 6:30pm for dinner. Everything on the menu is 50% off for the players, except drinks. Buy-in is 250 pesos. For more information, call Mel at 622-105-7212.

Clubs & Organizations

• Art League. 9:00am – 1:00pm, Tecalai. For more information, call 226-0377.
• Duplicate Bridge. 10:00am, Fiesta Real.
• Contract Bridge. 12:30pm. Club Deportivo. No partner needed. Be early in case enough people don’t show up. More information, Janet Beaty jbeaty6@msn.com.

Tuesday, April 13

Entertainment

• Danny Moreno & Omar Arriaga. 4:00pm – 6:00pm, Soggy Peso.
• Efrain and Martin Giacoman. 5:00pm -8:00pm, Fiesta Hotel.
• Eric Holland. 6:30pm – 9:30pm, Bonifacio’s Cotton Club.

Clubs & Organizations

• Computer Club. 9:15am at Tequilas — early birds meet for breakfast at 8:30am. For more information contact Phyllis at 226-2153.
• Rotary Club Meeting. 12:00pm, Fiesta Real.
• Women’s Bible Study. San Carlos Community Church, 1:30pm. Studying “Breaking Free” a Beth Moore study. Everyone welcome. For more information, contact Lynne Penney at 227-0223 or lynnepenney@gmail.com.
• Bingo. 6:30pm, Club Deportivo. For more information, call 226-0716.
• Rotary Club spouses night out. For reservations, call Dixie 226-0106.

Sports

• Tai Chi. 8:45am – 10:00am, Club Deportivo. With June Davis and Janet Beaty. Beginners and intermediate levels. For more information, contact Janet at jbeaty6@msn.com.
• The Nifty Niners – the ladies 9 hole golf group. 9:00am. Visitors, residents and golf members are welcome to join us at the San Carlos Country Club. For more info, email us at scniftyniners@yahoo.com or call 226-1519.
• Softball. 10:00am at Paradiso. Fun pick-up games for people of all skill levels. Spectators and cheerleaders welcome. The group often then goes for lunch together.

• April 15th, 10:00am. Dedication of the Tipton Educational Center in Las Playitas Area of Guaymas.
• April 17th, 9:00am. Earth Day clean-up of San Carlos.
• April 17th, 8:00am to 2:00pm. Feria at Marina San Carlos (open air market).
• April 17th, Corona Rock Fest in Obregon.
• April 17-18th, Golf Tournament.
• April 17th, Dominoes Tournament Fundraiser. Captain’s Club
• April 21st, 7:30pm. Baseball in Guaymas as the Ostioneros take on Empalme Rieleros.
• April 22nd, 6:00pm. Mark Mulligan with Sam Rainwater, Mexican Buffet Concert at Hotel Fiesta Real. 250 pesos. Tickets available at Hotel Fiesta Real and Long Realty Seaside.
• April 23rd, 6:00pm. Mark Mulligan with Efrain Giacoman, Mexican Buffet Concert at Hotel Fiesta Real. 250 pesos. Tickets available at Hotel Fiesta Real and Long Realty Seaside.
• April 25th. Estero del Soldado mountain bike race.
• April 29th, 8:00pm – 11:00pm. Nuestra Belleza Guaymas 2010 (beauty pageant) at Escala Náutica.
• May 1st, 8:00am to 2:00pm. Feria at Marina San Carlos (open air market).
• May 15th, 8:00am to 2:00pm. Feria at Marina San Carlos (open air market).
• May 28, 29 & 30th (Memorial weekend). The Ladies International Fishing Tournament. Sponsored by Club Deportivo de San Carlos.
• May 28 – 30th. Regata Internacional, Tucson Sailing Club.
• May 29 – 30th. 12 Horas Salvando Vidas mountain bike race, Choyas Voladoras.
• May 29th, 8:00am to 2:00pm. Feria at Marina San Carlos (open air market).
• June 4 – 6th. The Rescate/Yacht Club Fishing Tournament.
• July 1 – 4th. 63rd International Billfish Tournament.
• July 30 – Aug 1st. New fishing tournament organized by Sonora is Safe.

If you’re asking yourself, how do I get my events & happy hour added, the answer is simple:
Just email us and we’d be happy to list your events for free.

What’s Up San Carlos is published by David Irons and Christa Thomas

Special thanks to Sue Fehrle, Eric Holland, Johan Broere, Bryan Replogle,
and Paula Fishman for their help with this issue.